The Legend of Zelda Options

[Charmy]

I'm skullkid now so.... Yeah.
No longer Deku, even though me loves. But me loves Skull kid lots too.
Next I am thinking about.... Having a pikmin sig or something with.... Hmm....
I don't know. o_0

[Jitterbug]

Wait a minute! Link marries Zela? What game is that?! That is something I got to see!!!

[Dark]

Wii's Next Zelda Game
Miyamoto says the franchise needs some big new ideas. What might the successor to Twilight Princess play and look like?
by Matt Casamassina

LINK: http://wii.ign.com/articles/920/920705p1.html
October 16, 2008 - When Nintendo unveiled The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess at the Electronic Entertainment Expo 2004 to a packed auditorium of journalists and fans, the crowd went wild, and some people in attendance actually cried. Yes -- real, genuine tears, induced by the very sight of a reborn Link, no longer a cel-shaded boy but a teenage warrior surrounded by a realistic world. Decades after the classic game released, few franchises in the history of the industry share the same powerful hold over players as Zelda, and yet Shigeru Miyamoto's series about a Hyrulian hero and a kidnapped princess has stayed stubbornly true to its roots through the years, a fact that some critics held against Twilight Princess when it shipped two years ago. These criticisms haven't fallen on deaf ears, for Miyamoto himself commented in an IGN interview that Zelda is "... a franchise that does need some big new unique ideas."

Miyamoto offered those words at E3 2008, where he also confirmed that a new Wii Legend of Zelda game is in development by key members of the Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass teams. This new title is poised to be fundamentally different from its predecessors for a couple key reasons. First, Nintendo is obviously aware that the series needs a new hook or two -- even if Twilight Princess remains, in our humble opinion, one of the best adventure games of the generation, it lacks a certain freshness, largely because it adheres to the age-old Zelda formula. And second, whereas Twilight Princess began its life as a GameCube title and was later ported to Wii, this new Zelda project will be designed from the ground up to take advantage of Nintendo's little white box. It's with all of this in mind that we explore the the potential dos and the don'ts and focus our eyes keenly on the future of the Zelda franchise. Here are just a few possibilities:
A Compelling New Tale
Nintendo prides itself on creating games that simply play exceptionally well, but seldom do its titles, even those grand adventures, feature rich and compelling stories, particularly by today's standards. Although Link's journey to save princess Zelda has seen several unique variations over the years, it is usually still the same quest with new bells and whistles and it is partially because of this that titles like Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time feel so similar, whereas an all-new tale might have created a greater divide between the games. Case in point, you won't see any comparisons to director Eiji Aonuma's first N64 Zelda, Majora's Mask, for that dark and difficult title included an original storyline set outside of the traditional save-the-princess theme.

"I would love to see a Zelda title that really takes story to the next level.? Twilight Princess did a great job with storytelling -- more so than any other Zelda, I believe. I'd just like to see that taken a few steps further," says Kevin Cassidy, who operates the Nintendo website Go Nintendo. "We know that there are people on the Zelda team that would love to create a deep, rich story, but Miyamoto doesn't seem too fond of it.? I think it's time to take the franchise in a more narrative direction.? I think gamers can handle a Zelda with complex emotions, rather than on-the-surface responses."


We loved the wolf mechanic in Twilight Princess. We also loved Midna. What can Nintendo come up with next?
The narrative in Twilight Princess called upon the same methods that worked for Ocarina of Time a decade before it -- namely, a combination of game-engine cut-scenes, text bubbles and character grunts to drive story. No pre-rendered cinematics and no voice work, the latter of which has remained a pet-peeve of ours. Cassidy, though, stands atop the other side of the chasm."I don't ever want to see a Zelda game with voice acting. I know that most AAA titles of today feature voice acting, but I just don't think that works for the Zelda series. I have no trouble reading a story, and listening to grunts and sighs to accompany the text. I think that a speaking role for Link would really ruin the experience. Just because it can be done doesn't always mean that it's the right thing to do," he says, adding, "Do you really want line after line of Tingle dialog?"

Actually, we don't. And we would prefer to avoid Tingle altogether, thank you very much. But we still contend that quality voice acting would enhance and not detract from the storyline in the next Zelda game. Link will forever be the silent warrior, but the characters he encounters might better come to life with rich, well-acted dialog, a technique designed by developers to immerse players into the experience. Text bubbles are, if nothing else, a constant reminder that you are playing a game, a presentational faux pas in today's industry, where software houses strive to make games void of graphical heads-up displays, let alone text-based character interactions. There is also the point that if Nintendo never tries, how can we ever really know? Long ago, Nintendo fans might have leveled the same skepticism at the company's attempts to drag the always-2D Mario games into the third-dimension with Super Mario 64. Looking back, nobody's complaining. Finally, Nintendo could take a cue from companies like BioWare, which are creating dialog trees for character interactions, offering players a level of flexibility that could actually have an impact on the storyline as they go.

Regardless of how Nintendo chooses to present Zelda's storyline, though, most would agree that a fresh new tale would benefit the franchise. We have, over the years, come to appreciate Majora's Masks' interesting yarn set to the backdrop of an eerie moon threatening to fall on and crush the planet where Link finds himself stranded. Nothing, save for tradition, is keeping the developer glued to the damsel in distress lure and we hope that Miyamoto will consider upending the tea table, so to speak, when it comes time to pen Link's newest travels. We would stand up and cheer for a deep, complex and unpredictable story that reveals more about the Zelda characters than we've learned previously, and we would likewise like to see the franchise taken into altogether fresh directions. Whether that means new playable characters, the return of some fan favorites like Deity Link, some unexpected twists, or even the possibility that some major players could bite the dust, well, we'll leave the details up to Nintendo. Our one hope is that the storyline in Wii's next Zelda will continuously surprise us.
No More Mr. Nice Guy
The original Legend of Zelda was ridiculously epic and challenging for its time and some of franchise sequels have proven equally taxing. Majora's Mask again comes to mind. But few would argue that The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker or Twilight Princess after it were overly challenging games. In fact, hardcore fans have expressed disappointment at how easily completed both titles were. That being true, we think it's time for Nintendo to turn up the heat with Wii's next Zelda game and provide the original fan base with an adventure worthy of Link's time. As seasoned Zelda fans, we long for the day when taking damage from an enemy resulted in the loss of more than one health heart and not just a fraction of a one heart, for example. An easy setting to tweak and if the developer so desires, it could provide multiple difficulty settings, still appeasing the casual user base -- a demographic, by the way, that we're still not convinced cares to play Zelda regardless of its difficulty setting. Directly relating to this is the challenge associated with fighting boss characters. Although formidable in size, few of the bosses in Twilight Princess presented notable hurdles to overcome, a disappointment given that the franchise helped establish boss fights with some truly intense and taxing battles. For the next game, we hope that Nintendo will not be afraid to create some hard fights -- situations where Link might actually perish and where players will need to use strategy and reflexes combined to emerge victorious.

"Without the threat of doom, the beeping heart noise getting your adrenaline up, beating a boss just doesn't feel the same. Think about it, didn't you just hate Metroid Prime (the final boss)? Didn't you sink back in your chair after beating it with a true sense of accomplishment? A Zelda game that tries to cater to everyone will never be able to do this," says IGN's publisher, Peer Schneider, a longtime Zelda devotee and author of our Hyrule Times articles.
Revolutionary New Controls with Wii MotionPlus
Zelda traditionalists may argue that Nintendo needn't fix what isn't broken and that mucking around with MotionPlus controls could ultimately damage a perfectly fine configuration. Take, for example, Wired's Chris Kohler, who would rather the developer play it safe and remain cautious of dragging more motion work to the franchise.

"I'd absolutely hate for the next big Zelda game to be a Wii MotionPlus game that's centered around 1:1 sword fighting, or something similar that throws the baby out with the bath water," he says

Cassidy disagrees. "I can't stop thinking about the possibilities of MotionPlus.? I would be extremely shocked and disappointed if the next Zelda title didn't use the device. The types of gameplay and movement that the MotionPlus makes possible would work perfectly into a Zelda game.? It might be the best way to move the series forward, while still keeping things familiar.? Everything from sword fighting to boomerangs would become a lot more engaging," he explains.

With respect to Kohler, we tend to side with Cassidy on this one, but we definitely understand the point of keeping an eye on the dangers of overuse in regard to MotionPlus. Having waggle just for the sake of waggle is unnecessary and could even feel contrived or broken. Were, for example, the next Zelda to ditch the adventuring altogether for a MotionPlus-enhanced sword fighting game, we would not be able to contain our disappointment. Link's Crossbow Training is a fun diversion, but completely ignoring the fundamentals of the franchise in a major new release would be unfortunate for all the fans, us included, who have grown up exploring the open world of Hyrule in all of its glory and solving countless environmental puzzles.


We didn't immediately love Wind Waker's style, but looking back, it was both gorgeous and extremely effective.
We envision smart, gameplay-changing integration of MotionPlus in a manner that would complement today's Z-target lock-on. Imagine if Link could freely maneuver through a non-linear world in typical Zelda fashion, but as soon as he locked onto an enemy, players would be able to control his sword-carrying hand with perfect precision using the Wii remote. Players could still jump, strafe and even dodge with the nunchuk, but they could also deliver accurate, fast slices and dices with the remote. With this kind of pinpoint control, Link might even be able to block incoming projectiles -- arrows, fireballs, etc. -- with his sword, but of course he wouldn't be reliant upon doing so, for holding down B-trigger would cue his shield. And when the lock-on is broken, normal controls would resume.
"I would love to see the combat camera moving behind Link's shoulder, with Wii MotionPlus giving us unprecedented control over his sword, shield, hammer, hookshot, bow and arrow, and so on. It shouldn't just be mindless waggling, though. I want the game to use accurate swordplay as a unique mechanism and tool the enemies' behavior and weak points around this," Schneider. "Let me swipe up to knock a helmet of a Bokoblin and expose his noggin. Let me stab forward to hit a gap in the back of the shell of an Amos Knight. Let me pull back with the remote to block or parry a blow from a powerful enemy.Naturally, Wii MotionPlus controls wouldn't be limited to swordplay, as Schneider suggests. Nintendo could cleverly devise a series of new weapons that might make intuitive use of the control add-on. For instance, a spiked ball and chain that would allow players to accurately swing the Wii remote around to gain momentum, releasing the attack at precisely the right moment to inflict damage. Or, the ability to curve Link's boomerang using the same technique that works for frisbee in Wii Sports Resort. And what about finally being to hurl a bomb farther based on the power of motion, as measured by Nintendo's add-on? But one item above all else seems the perfect fit for MotionPlus and that is, of course, the Wind Waker, the magical baton that could literally conduct the wind in the hit GameCube title. Using MotionPlus, players could make subtle gestures that would be read and translated on-screen. Think of Wii Music's maestro mini-game taken to the next logical level, except as a legitimate hardcore gameplay mechanic.

Don't Forget the Pointer
Wii's next Zelda needn't embrace MotionPlus at the expense of the Wii pointer, which has thus far been every bit as effective as a gameplay tool as waggle. Twilight Princess, in fact, successfully used the pointer for the hookshot and for the bow and arrow and we think there's room for further integration. Schneider referenced Metroid Prime's boss battles, but we can also look to that game for pointer inspiration. Not only did it employ fast and smooth pointer-based shooter mechanics, but it transformed the Wii remote into a virtual welder, enabling Samus to burn together cracks in walls in order to proceed. The mechanic was a lot of fun and we've always wondered why more developers haven't put the controller to use for similar results. If any developer can one-up Retro Studios, it's Nintendo. Hopefully the studio can develop some new tools for Link in his next adventure so that gamers might have fresh reasons to grip the company's revolutionary remote. We don't think anybody would be offended if the Miyamoto and crew looked to a title like Okami, with its on-screen drawing mechanic, and aspired for something similar.

The Question of Style
Here's something you probably didn't know: Twilight Princess, for all of its hype, sold worse than The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker. Well, kind of, anyway. Wind Waker outsold the Wii version of Twilight Princess by about 30,000 units, believe it or not, but of course that doesn't account for all of the gamers who bought TP on GameCube, some 900,000, if you're counting. Nintendo's Tokyo unveiling of Wind Waker, with its cel-shaded graphics and tiny warrior, may have resulted in a decidedly different brand of tears than those shed for Twilight Princess -- purportedly, Shigeru Miyamoto turned NOA employees and asked why the American press wasn't clapping -- but in hindsight, the super-stylized game had a lot going for it.


The Twilight Princess team wanted to enhance the graphics for Wii, but ran out of time.
"What surprises me is, I keep finding myself going back to Wind Waker as my favorite 3D Zelda," notes Cassidy. "It has its flaws, but the story, design, graphics and humor are all very unique when looking at the franchise as a whole.? Twilight Princess was a textbook Zelda game, which is a very good thing, but it undoubtedly lacked that fresh feeling."Wind Waker, by comparison, brought to the table a brand new visual style which suited the Zelda series so well that it was used again in a DS sequel, Phantom Hourglass. The cel-shaded presentation powering Wind Waker is one that flows just a little better from a technical standpoint within the limitations of the Wii hardware. Compared to today's cutting-edge high-definition-ready consoles, the most difficult visual hurdle for developers making Wii games is that of creating realistic, gritty visuals. It is much easier and oftentimes more fruitful to go with a highly stylized graphic makeup like that in Wind Waker, with its colorful worlds and beautifully animated cartoon characters. That all being said, we'd wager that the majority of die-hard Zelda fans would still prefer that the next Zelda retain the visual style established by Twilight Princess, even if it is easier to spot graphic blemishes in an ultra-realistic game world.
"I like that Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass seem to have resolved the question of what do we do with these two totally different, but completely viable, graphics styles: Cel-shading, which looks really nice on DS and helps smooth out that platform's lack of graphical power, goes to the portable; "realism" (such as it is) on the console. I think that's a solid solution that I'd like them to continue on with," says Kohler.

It's important to remember that the development team making Twilight Princess wanted to enhance the visuals for the Wii version, but that Miyamoto declined because it would delay the release of the game, which had already missed its ship date, even further. So we're confident that that given the time to work exclusively on a Wii Zelda, the team will be able to improve the look considerably. And yet, at the same time, we find ourselves surprisingly accepting of the prospect of another cel-shaded game -- again, simply because the style works so well. We're not suggesting that we would want to return to child Link form, but what if an adult Link could be brought to this cel-shaded design complete with an aged-up presentation to suit him? We think there's a lot of potential with something like that.


Imagine the swordplay in Wii's next Zelda, now with MotionPlus controls.
And Just to be Clear, a Recap
Nintendo can absolutely afford to rest on its laurels. Twilight Princess introduced a fun wolf mechanic and the ability to drop between two dimensions, but by and large it played like every 3D Zelda before it. And it was still amazing. So we're not going to lie -- sure, Nintendo could do exactly the same thing all over again and the end result would probably still be fantastic. Yet, as Zelda fans, we want to see the franchise taken into a bold new direction -- one that doesn't just follow the bar, but raises it. We would be disappointed if Nintendo diluted the power of the franchise with another spin-off like Link's Crossbow Training, an excuse to forgo a long development cycle. It would be unfortunate if the company didn't up Zelda's production values -- injecting the experience with a deeper storyline, multi-faceted characters, orchestral music, voice-acting and well-choreographed cinematics. And it would be a missed opportunity if the next game didn't fully utilize the Wii remote's pointer and Wii MotionPlus for a better gaming experience than ever before.
The Zelda team has been reunited for a long time and we know that something major is beginning to take shape back in Japan. Here's hoping the game exceeds our wildest expectations when Nintendo finally unveils it.
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[epona]

Cool, but I know this already. Are you going to give us updates on RFF?

[Zen Clarke]

I think that if the next Zelda game IS set in the future, then you shouldn't immediately shoot it down. Though I have to agree, a Zelda with no Link just isn't Zelda. However, I think it'd be kinda funny/interesting if they had a Zelda game where the rolls were reveresed; Link was the one who needed to be saved and Zelda was rescuing him in all of her Sheik kick-butt awesomeness. LOL! That'd be cool though...man. I can't wait (for the next one in general, I mean...)!

Oh yeah. About MM. I just started playing it again too! I read somewhere that if Kafei shows up at like, the ranch, or something, on the last day, the mother will slap him. How does that happen? Like, if you don't give Anju the pendant, and you help Kafei get his mask back, I guess? I don't think I've ever seen it; but it does sound slighlty familiar. Anyone ever gotten that to happen?

[Lindstrom]

What a long article. I skipped over much of it cuz I don't feel like reading it all, but it seemed like part of it was about "making it easier and more accessible" and "adding newer features without dumping important classic ones". Personally I think they could probably get away with just having a Hard Mode like Metroid with faster and stronger enemies.

I miss the Master Quest.

[Zen Clarke]

I haven't finished that yet...D: I need to...All I hd left was the final half of the Spirit Temple...I love how in Jabu Jabu there are random cows in the wall. xDDD

[Lindstrom]

I was thinking the original master quest in the NES version. It was kind of extreme at some points (finding some of the levels) but I can never back down from a challenge.

[Zen Clarke]

Yeah. Same here; except the challange of the Shadow Temple. *shudders* Gawd, I hate that place so much!!!

[Darth-Paper-Boy]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47155.html

I'm pretty sure this is relevant, but I bet most any hardcore Zelda fan's seen it already. I don't know how old it is myself.

[Lindstrom]

I think it's pretty new. Because trains are well known to be awesome, then this too is awesome. I don't have a DS though so I won't get it.

[Zen Clarke]

Lawls. Train. This one seems pretty cool! And that's major awesome news, because usually there's a new Zelda game released for the portable console (DS, Gameboy Advanced, Gameboy) and a home console (Wii, Gamecube, Nintendo 64) at the same time! W00t!

[Jitterbug]

I doubt I'd get it even if I DID have a DS. I like toon link but I don't like the graphics on this one or his new outfit...sorry, just my opinion.

[Zen Clarke]

Looks the same as PH to me. And he changes outfits eventually or at least some because I saw him in his usual green outfit in that trailer. I'm not too fond of all of the sound effects in the DS ones, or even of Toon Link (my fave so far is TP Link), but it looks really awesome in my opinion. And I think I just heard (it's probably just a rumor) that this one is a sequel to the next Zelda Wii game, but it comes out a year before the next it. So basically, it's a sequel, but it comes out before what it's sequeling...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lalaeyes.gif)